Episodes
Tuesday Oct 26, 2021
HTSS157 - Internal sales reframes that matter for success - Scott Sylvan Bell
Tuesday Oct 26, 2021
Tuesday Oct 26, 2021
Important sales reframe you need to close deals and stay sane
What you tell yourself matters before a sales call, during a sales call, and after a sales call matters. How you describe your problems to yourself and others matters more than you know. As you talk to yourself you are creating a "program" for your mind. This programming creates energy and will take you in good directions with sales or bad ones.
Any salesperson can lose their edge in sales, or they can say they are slightly off. When you describe your problems to others you are signaling to your brain what you think of yourself. You do have threats and opportunities here.
The great rule in sales about internal thoughts
Pay attention to this statement "It's you against you in sales first, it's you against your team second then third it's you against the world". When you look at sales in this manner it helps.
You don’t have problems with your sales process – you have opportunities
- Look for ways to reframe what you struggle with
- I am still learning vs I suck
- Nobody buys from me vs some people buy from me
Your beliefs and thoughts matter in sales
Everything starts with your belief about your skills, your abilities. Doubt can ruin your sales process even if you are on the top. Be aware you may have co workers who try to tear you down and mess with your doubt – your competition already does this to you. You will know who your friends are and are not.
You get the opportunity to use your mouth to make money and not your hands – this is why pure sales is amazing. I see and hear people say I am going to leave sales to go back to work in other fields.
Tuesday Oct 26, 2021
HTSS158 - Traits in buyers that drive salespeople crazy - Scott Sylvan Bell
Tuesday Oct 26, 2021
Tuesday Oct 26, 2021
Common traits that drive salespeople crazy in the middle of a deal
As you work on your sales call or interact with people there will be traits that bother you. You have to live a style of life to close deals and make actions happen. As you work with people on a daily basis your conversation will flow towards making actions happen.
What you see even when not in a deal
As you sell you have to paint the picture and the vision of the idea. As you preframe the sales using verbiage like "when" will turn into an "if". When you are selling you have to get people to buy into the idea and or the conecpt. what you will see is indecision from the buyer and not being able to choose and say yes.
There time of a deal in sales
Long winded people chew through time and drag the sell on. Over verbose or wordy people speak in terms of too many words. As people talk for a long time it puts pressure on you to focus longer. When you are not selling long winded people will drive you up the wall.
It takes outcome orientation to close deals
People who are not outcome-oriented will drag on your capabilities to make something happen. You will find they don't understand moving forward or making a decision. They don’t look to the horizon and they are not real with goals.
Some people don't understand time constraints
Not all people understand time and what it does to others. There is a saying in sales that time kills all deals. People don't see that on the edge of the horizon and see possibilities. People who are paid by the hour in the office don't always understand the pressure of getting things done. Retired people do not keep track of time once they leave the workforce. There is not unlimited time for all actions to happen.
Monday Oct 25, 2021
HTSS156 - Every Hero needs a Villain in sales - Scott Sylvan Bell
Monday Oct 25, 2021
Monday Oct 25, 2021
Learn how to sell more by looking at Heros and Villains
If you want to be a top performer in sales you will want to look for ways to describe what you are doing but differently. When you can think through problems a little diffrenlty and then explain them to others it creates conflict and interest.
There are 2 movies that can help with the idea of a hero vs a villain. Both of these movies can shed some light on how to increase the conversation of a hero vs a villain.
- Mission impossible 2
- Unbreakable
Explain a better advantage and or benefit in sales
You have to be able to explain what you have or how your advantage matters. The problem is when done wrong this is boring. You can't just be the good guy. You need to add conflict to the conversation. You need to know what a villain is (every industry has multiple villains)
- Law
- Competitor
- Product flaw
- Salespeople
- Rule changes
Your buyer has villains and they need heroes
What is it the buyer doesn’t like and what is it that they really hate? This is always a good place to start with looking to explain heroes and villains in sales. Just for a quick list or reference point here are the most common villains you will face in sales.
- Pushy salesperson
- Terms
- Availability
How to spot villains and heroes in real-life examples
Look for outside reference points to learn how to produce villains. You can start with character diamonds as a way to think through the plot of salespeople and villains.
- WWE / WWF
- Politics
- The news
Your competition should be the villain
What does your competition do, this is a great place to build out a villain.
- Bear traps - episode 152 of the how to sell show.
You cant use the same villain as someone else as effective as building a new villain
- You need intrigue and surprise
- You have to be able to explain their problem better
- You are what fixes the problem as an expert / then the product or service
Actions you can take to create Heroes and Villains
Sit down today and think of how you are the hero and who or what is the villain. Map these ideas out and tier them:
- What you market says vs what you do
- How others can pin you as the villain and how you can counter it
Thursday Oct 21, 2021
HTSS155 - How to answer are you paid on commission in sales - Scott Sylvan Bell
Thursday Oct 21, 2021
Thursday Oct 21, 2021
Are you paid on commission in sales is a question you need to prepare for
At some point, you will be asked about how you are compensated by a buyer. You need to understand why this is happening before you answer. Where you asked matters this question is in the first few minutes, in the middle, or at the end. Your confidence matters more than you know when you answer this question.
When you are asked about commissions at the beginning of a sales call:
There are different times where you are asked this question in sales. It may be when you are asked at the beginning of the call your buyer is:
- Try to size you up for attitude
- Trying to size you up for trust
- Trying to find your tells (poker move)
- Trying to see how you answer
- They are trying to Intimidation
- They are trying to rattle you
- You started off with big words and scared them
- I don’t want to waste your time (I am after free advice and or expertise)
- How you dress or appeared to them – a possible mismatch of clothing to the client
- You said something silly – this goes for everyone
- Nervous energy
When you are asked about the commission in the middle of a sales call:
If you are asked about the commission in the middle of your sales calls there can be multiple reasons. Remember, where you are asked this question in the timeline of the meeting can matter. Here are a few reasons why you could be asked about commissions:
- The buyer is trying to size you up for discounts coming
- You triggered them – feels like you pushed an expensive item
- You said something silly – this goes for everyone
- The buyer had nervous energy
- You pushed the exclusive button in their mind = expensive
Getting asked about commissions pay at the end of a sales call
If you are being asked about your compensation at the end of your sales presentation there could be some good reasons and there could be some bad reasons. When this question is asked towards the end of the call it could be something you said, it could be nervous energy, and last of all it could be the buyer. Here are a few reasons why you could be asked about commission structure towards the end of a sales call:
- They are signaling for a discount and or asking for something shady. With this type of buyer, there may be some implications if they want you to "break some rules"
- They are looking for desperation in the salesperson = advantage on their part
- They are trying to figure out your cut vs the cost of the product
Other than reasons for being asked about commissions:
There are multiple reasons why you could be asked about your commissions from your buyer. Some of the stranger ones are more outliers than anything else. Here are a few reasons why you are asked about your pay or your cut from the sale.
- The buyer wants to recruit you for another type of job or venture
- The buyer wants to set you up with a friend or relative
- Your buyer is socially awkward with people
How to answer if you are paid on commission in sales
There are multiple ways to answer how you get paid in sales to your buyer. Some people are noisy, some awkward and some are looking to see how they can reduce their costs. These answers are given from low to high. This means they will go from weak to aggressive. You need to pay attention to your timing, pitch, tone, and cadence when answering this question.
- No, I am paid by the hour
- No, I get paid a flat fee for every product I sell
- Yes, and if you are looking for a deal we can work something out
- There are fees for my service (Tommy Hopkins)
- Yes
- Yes, have you seen enough to make a decision?
- Yes, do you want option a or b?
- Absolutely and the fact I am paid on commissions wouldn’t stop you from moving forward, would it?
- That’s how every single salesperson makes a living, they are paid for their expertise and knowledge
- I am not quite sure how does that question helps you make your decision today?
It's your decision to answer how you are paid in sales
At the end of the day how you answer the question about your commission is really up to you. What is important is taking the time to think through how you will answer today. When you look at your conversation think through what you may have said early on in the presentation to trigger this type of interaction. When it’s a weird reason for the buyer there will be a feel to it, you get to feel people like this out over time.
Wednesday Oct 20, 2021
HTSS154 - When to walk away from a sale or a deal - Scott Sylvan Bell
Wednesday Oct 20, 2021
Wednesday Oct 20, 2021
In sales you must know when to walk away from a deal
Closing a deal is what all salespeople want at the end of the day. A deal can be a client, install, roll out, product and the list can go on and on. Whatever term you use for the item you sell is what you are trying to close to the person you are selling to.
Why you lose interest in deals
There is a point where the deal goes sour, you lose interest or it is no longer viable. You do have to pay attention because neediness can play a part in staying in a deal. You could need the money or the attention. One of the best resources on neediness is Jim Camp Start with no – Chapter 1. Your need for a sale could get you to stay into the deal for a time you should not.
Holding onto a deal too long
Sometimes salespeople hold onto the hope of a deal for way too long. There is a sweet spot of good as well as a one where you will end up losing:
- Time
- Energy
- Effort
- Risk
- Money
These 5 items are the main elements of rejection. You will try as hard as you can to protect your back end. You can be quitter by walking too soon, you can lose by staying too long.
Planning on walking away from a deal
You will want to pre-plan the reasons you would walk from a deal. This doesn't mean you need to build out all contingencies possible. You will want to hit the high level of why you would walk away from a sale or a deal. There is a danger in walking away from a deal – it gets easier over time. Every time you walk away you can find more reasons to not stick in the sale or the process.
Reasons you would walk from a deal
- Misrepresentation
- The person you are working with is scammy / not trustable ( so many levels here) – the deal was misrepresented, the person or group lied to you, you are having games played with you
- You figure the deal is one sided – the outcome doesn’t work for you (time, money, expose)
- Metrics are not being met – you hit your drop dead date
- The deal no longer makes sense “metrics are not being met”, the option isnt viable anymore
- You have lost interest – there is a point in all deals where you find something better (you have to be careful with this one)
- Legal issues – things pop up, lawsuits happen
- The project runs out of funding, the buyer loses funding and cant get it back (you should always have a back up)
- Major event in your life – death or health
Most salespeople think in terms of closing the sale or closing the deal. You do need to think through the reasons why you would not want the deal anymore.
Tuesday Oct 05, 2021
Tuesday Oct 05, 2021
Sales cycles are cyclical and you can close more deals knowing this
If you can stay in sales long enough you will find you run in cycles. Statistically speaking you will run through all 6 of these periods mentioned. If you keep good notes you can spot trends before they happen.
Top salespeople hold themselves accountable
You have to be willing to be accountable to yourself, a CRM or a Manager. When you are new the time frame typically is short and the run-up and rundowns happen quickly and the plateau is short. If you have been in the field for a while the run up and run downs are quick but the plateaus are longer.
The Bell Curve of Sales Success
Think of long term sales like a bell curve. Everyone has their own time frame for this, meaning your time frame isnt someone elses time frame. You can look at what others are doing and see what phase or period they are in.
There are 6 stages identified for sales success:
The climb – you are selling and getting traction
- Momentum is weird and it can be slow or fast. You are heading up the side of the bell curve. You may say things like “I can do this” , “this is hard but its worth it”
The Par – where you are closing and everything is good
- You have gotten your track and you feel like your feet are underneath you. You may say things to yourself like “I am back”, “I close deals” “I am good” “I am amazing”
The heater – borrowed from a run in a casino – You close everything
- You have momentum on your side and you can close sales. You may say things like “I am the best” or “I can close anyone” “I am the greatest man alive”
The plateau – where you are doing well but you feel slippage
- It sounds strange but you will wake up one morning without “fuel” you may also feel like you have a lack of focus. You may start having some doubt “Am I really this good” do I deserve can I really do this – doubt in the mind of
Sub par – where you are selling “not closing”
- There are 2 things that really create a slide backward and to a loss of leads.
- You have ego issues “I am the best and nobody can tell me what to do or how to do it
- You have a major event happen in your life (loss of / gain of from the money you just made)
- You will say things to yourself like “I made enough money this month / quarter” “I just need to make $__________ this month to pay my bills to be ok” – most of these conversations are about money than skill.
Freefall – Nothing is working and deals are not closing (panic + loss of control)
- Freefall in sales is the panic you feel when you know you have lost traction. You will tend to speed up your time in the presentation to get to the close. You talk about yourself a ton because your inward focus is on loss. You start trying huge discounts to close deals. You say things to yourself like “I cant do this” “Why do I keep getting the bad leads” anything that pits you against the world. Poor me is what it looks like from the outside.
How to stay on top in sales
When you keep track of your sales process you can spot a dangerous trend before it begins. This does take some work and or effort on your part. If you really want to be a closer in sales you do need to know where you are going and what you are doing.
Monday Oct 04, 2021
Monday Oct 04, 2021
Creating a Bear Trap for your competition and sabotage their sales process
A bear trap is a covert way to “talk trash” on your competition and make the sale an “uphill battle”. When you make the other sales guy or sales girl work harder than they need to it can lead to you selling more. You may call this strategy something else, I had to give a name to it.
What is a bear trap in sales and why do you use them
Bear traps in sales are a way to lock in an idea. You can use this content as a way to "lock-in" an idea about your competition. One thing to remember is to not make anything up about the competition. A bear trap causes your competition to sell from their heels instead of a straight-up sales process. In essence, you are making your counterparts in sales work harder defending themselves than be able to sell their products or service. You create doubt about talents, skills, capabilities, and acheivements.
Bear Traps in sales to your advantage
When you build out the conversations you are going to have there are some elements to them. These are not long drawn out explanations to your potential client they are just quick jabs against them.
- The structure is 3-5 sentences – not too much
- Your interaction should be really calm friend voice / late night dj voice
- When you talk it can be off the cuff – mmmhh / dry sense of humor
- The whole process is a throw away conversation – you cant be too into it
- They may not respond until later – they may come back and ask about your question. If it doesn’t land, let it go
- This is after you have built rapport / not through the door
Start once you have rapport
Salespeople blow this all of the time, they try too hard through the door. When you use a process like this, you have to be in the know, like and trust stage. The buyer doesnt have to trust you just yet. In some instances you may have to say some brazen things, this is why you need rapport
How to build your Bear Trap in sales: Start with a common complaint
You can start once they have a complaint with salespeople, the products and service or something else. If you tell the person without permission it is not as powerful. You start off with stating:
- I bet you want to know why that is… (stop talking)
- I can share with you why, but I cant sugar coat it for you
- You would be surprised at how often companies hire for that reason
Start with their question
Once you have the permission of the buyer you will take what their complaint is an put a negative spin on it.
- Give the weaknesses the competition has and explains it
- Give the weakness of a product, service, and or salespeople
- I will give you the real answer if you want (stop talking)
Use persuasive language
- This is because of…
- The reason why they do this is
- The reason why you may not like it is
Examples:
Buyer: I can't stand these pushy salespeople …..
You: that’s why I don’t work for those types of companies… they have management bearing down on them to close right now… in fact, you should call them, they would love to have you sit with them for 3 hours and go back and forth with the “manager” to close the deal. I am sure they would like to eat up your afternoon.
Why Bear Traps in sales work
Most of the time salespeople go overboard and try to over sell. When you combine the use of common complaints and a well time "jab" at what others do it helps shift the view of the buyer. Your "Reason why" for the buyer becomes their "Reason why" and they don't see it until they give the other sales guy their objection.
What is a bear trap in sales?
If you want to know what a bear trap is in sales you need to know what the weaknesses are in your industry. The way you use these bear traps comes down to a "reason why" scenario. As you get used to your service, industry and your presentation you will find the conversations to have. If you want to learn how to use bear traps in sales you will want to create more topics to have discussions about.
Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
HTSS151 - Closing sales takes creativity - Scott Sylvan Bell
Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
Your ability to close sales takes creativity
Closing deals is all about creativity. You do have a base form of a sales process that you use. No two sales presentations play out the same exact way. Some of creativity in the sales process is 80/20 math. Some of the creative processes works in some instances but not in others.
What is a play or gambit in sales?
When you look at your sales process you have a playbook. Each play you run has consequences that you have to deal with. Another way to explain a play is a "gambit". Whatever term you use you are still running a play. What you need to know is your buyer or buyers have playbooks and plays as well. You do need some flexibility to make your creativity to work. The best salespeople use base routines + creativity for their sucesss.
What is creativity in the closing process?
Creativity is 2 ideas or more combined with some content left behind. When you take 2 winning ideas or a winning idea and a losing idea to be modified. When you meet with your buyers you are combining ideas and thoughts. Your creativity is needed to work through these thoughts.
Why you should watch other sales presentations
Working with other salespeople and watching their sales presentations you can pick up new plays. Some of these new word tracks or sayings can work right off the bat for you. Some of these ideas will need to be massaged and modified in order to make them work.
The inverted bell curve of creativity
Too much creativity will look sloppy to your buyers, it will seem like you are all over the place. Very few salespeople cant pull off flying by the seat of their pants. When you think through the sales process there are items you know from:
- Roleplay – Have friends from different industries to work with and role play with.
- Reading content – books on sales, negotiation, decision making and… conflict resolution
- Conversations – Your interaction between friends can be used as a way to grab ideas. You can listen in at coffee shops and see how people complain about their life and interactions.
The unknown in sales can't always be found
There is a point where you hit the unknown and have to figure it out. As you build out your Sales Playbook you have the ability to combine more ideas. You cant prepare for everything… it's not possible. You would be in training forever and it wouldn’t feel right when you rolled it out. This is why you have to be good at:
- Being patient
- Being calm
- Asking questions
- Listening
- Reframes
- Looking for ways to finance the deal (cash, credit, financing, trade and or barter)
Keys to creative sales process :
Creativity can be in the:
- Terms
- Financing
- Deal structure
- People involved
- Asks after the sale
Look for word tracks, ties downs and even phrases in sales
Most of the reframes you need will come from conditional statements. You will target a few words:
- If
- How
- When
As you take these words to be focused on you end up with the early beginnings of word tracks you can use. Here are a few base word tracks to be more creative in your sales process:
- “If we can do this, can we do that”
- "If I can do that, then what"
- “How about this”
- “Why don’t we do this”
- “Give me an idea of what you think about this idea”
Saturday Sep 25, 2021
Saturday Sep 25, 2021
How to get out of emotional downturns and sales slumps
As you go through your sales cycle there will be a point where you hit a sales slump. You can have an emotional downturn in sales for multiple reasons. It helps you to know what has caused the sales slump and if it was induced by you.
Sales have patterns of success and failure. You can sustain a longer closing cycle when you know what to do to find success again. As you make a list you can mark off the items that will help you.
- Music - can be a way for you to reignite your feeling and emotions. You can make a playlist on your phone, in Spotify, and or YouTube of songs that pump you up. You will want to be aware of songs that can make you feel down or lonely.
- You can borrow the emotions you want or need from special videos. You can start with Golden buzzer moments as they are quick look-ups. You will want to identify the videos that fit your needs and emotions.
- Movies can be a way for you to grab a feeling you need. There are multiple movies that have inspiration to them. A small list includes
- Invincible
- Rudy
- Greater
- The Greatest Game ever played
- 300
- Gladiator
- You can use a group of friends and colleagues to help you win and when you are strugling. When you talk to your group you get a chance to get the poison out.
- Time on call (toc). The time you spend with your clients can tell you when you are about to have problems and when you are on top.
- You vs I in a conversation can tell you how much you are leaving content on the table. If you take a recorded conversation and then have it transcribed you can look for how much you have talked about yourself vs the client. You will want to make sure you have the legal authority to record the conversation.
- Patterns that are predictable are predictable. When you track your sales cycles you can see the times where you are closing, discounting, losing deals, and even sliding towards a sales slump. You can track these items in most CRMS.
- Breathing and exercise can help you when you are struggling. You can find meditation videos online for free to help walk you through how to use the actions. You may need to listen to 10-15 recordings to find the right person to listen to.
- Therapy can be a powerful way for you to talk through your problems with a professional. If you are paying someone you will want to "spill the beans on what is going on". You can talk through issues and concerns you never knew you had.
- Emotional touch and or intimacy can help you when you are struggling in sales. This is not just the bump and grind actions it is about having someone there to help ground you.
- Donating time to a charity can help you in ways you cant imagine. You will want to pick the group that fits your lifestyle the most.
How to beat a sales slump
Your emotions can help your closing rate or you can lose deals. Before you struggle you can take action to pull yourself out of a sales slump.
Friday Sep 24, 2021
HTSS149 - Why you need tension in sales calls - Scott Sylvan Bell
Friday Sep 24, 2021
Friday Sep 24, 2021
Why you need tension in your sales process
You don't always have to be polite in sales. In fact, you can loose deals by being too agreeable with your buyers and or clients. Social conditioning can hurts and help salespeople. By being "too nice" you can be walked all over. Be acting like a jerk you can go too far. There is a sweet spot when you have tension with your potential client or client. Tension can actually help keep attention in the sales process.
Rapport can actually hurt sales
You may be trying too hard with rapport and losing deals because of it. Being too nice without pushing back can prove that you will not stand up for the buyer or the client when they need it. You could be trying too hard and it can come across as desperate.
Sales actions can feel like flirting
Social interactions like flirting rely on good and bad tension. The conversation, the timing, and your responses can feel like fun with a twist. You can take a look at these 4 books as a way to gain insights into adding pressure and tension into your sales process:
- The Game – Mystery
- Pitch anything – Oren Klaff
- Never Split the Difference – Chris Voss
- Get inside her - Marni Kinrys
You can always go to a bar and watch the tension between people picking up on each other as a way to model your process. The best way to do this to make sure you are sober. Grab a glass of seltzer water or even a cranberry juice and discover how flirting and tension can help your sales.
You can watch movies to model tension
Look at any good movie with 2 people who don't get along in the beginning. Bad Boys with Will Smith and Martin Lawrence is the perfect example. The Avengers Movies are about tension as well. Take some time and learn as much as you can about tension and resolution. You will find that tension keeps the appointment interesting and your buyer engaged.
Rapport can feel manipulative
If you use a ton of rapport in sales it can make the buyer resent you and cause them to not feel like you are genuine. Your buyers can feel like you are taking advantage of them emotionally. There is a natural amount of tension in all relationships. Rapport plus good tension can allow you to say what needs to be addressed. Being too nice can be seen as supplicant behavior.
When you look at this combination of actions you can actually lose deals.
- Overboard rapport (finally leads to fear of rejection)
- Fear of rejection
- Polite – Money
The problem with sales trainers
Some sales trainers and gooroos will say to always get agreement. When you always agree with a buyer you can be seen as spineless. Disagreement can be as powerful as a well-placed "no" in your interactions. Its ok if the buyer doesn’t like you in the beginning, the middle or the end. You can still close a deal without the “Likability” factor. It just takes more work.
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